S_JUD_2024A 04/24/2024 04:21:48 PM Committee Summary PUBLICSTAFF SUMMARY OF MEETINGSENATE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY Date 04/24/2024 Attendance Gardner X Michaelson Jenet X Van Winkle X Roberts X Gonzales X Time 04:21:48 PM to 08:17:22 PM Place Old Supreme Court This Meeting was called to order by Gonzales This Report was prepared by Juliann Jenson Hearing Items Action Taken hHB24-1450 Referred to the Committee of the Whole - Consent Calendar hHB24-1124 Referred to the Committee of the Whole hSB24-205 Amended, referred to the Committee of the Whole HB24-1450 - Referred to the Committee of the Whole - Consent Calendar 04:22:06 PM Senators Gardner and Gonzales, co-prime sponsors, presented House Bill 24-1450, concerning the nonsubstantive revision of statutes in Colorado Revised Statutes, as amended, and, in connection therewith, amending or repealing obsolete, imperfect, and inoperative law to preserve legislative intent, effect, and meaning of the law. 04:24:08 PM Motion Refer House Bill 24-1450 to the Committee of the Whole and with a recommendation that it be placed on the consent calendar. Moved Gardner Seconded Gardner Yes Michaelson Jenet Yes Van Winkle Yes Roberts Yes Gonzales Yes Final YES: 5 NO: 0 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS HB24-1124 - Referred to the Committee of the Whole Attachment Tag File Name Attachment http://www2.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2024A/commsumm.nsf/0/7295143E66E6...$File/Attachment A HB24-1124 written comments .pdf?OpenElement Attachment A HB24-1124 written comments .pdf 04:24:19 PM Senators Will and Gonzales, co-prime sponsors, presented House Bill 24-1124, concerning discrimination in places of public accommodation. The bill sponsors answered questions about the bill's application and necessity. 04:35:05 PM Catherine Ordonez, representing American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado, testified in support of the bill. Ms. Brittany Vessely, representing Colorado Catholic Conference, testified in opposition to the bill. Mr. Gregory Baylor, representing Alliance Defending Freedom, testified to amend the bill. Committee members asked questions about what constitutes a public accommodation. Written comments for the bill are in Attachment A. 04:49:36 PM The bill sponsors made closing comments. Committee members made closing comments. 04:53:23 PM Motion Refer House Bill 24-1124 to the Committee of the Whole. Moved Gonzales Seconded Gardner No Michaelson Jenet Yes Van Winkle No Roberts Yes Gonzales Yes Final YES: 3 NO: 2 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS SB24-205 - Amended, referred to the Committee of the Whole Attachment Tag File Name Attachment http://www2.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2024A/commsumm.nsf/0/9ED829F3213C...$File/Attachment B Pew Research Article about AI.pdf?OpenElement Attachment B Pew Research Article about AI.pdf Attachment http://www2.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2024A/commsumm.nsf/0/D5F371084B2C...$File/Attachment C SB205_L001.pdf?OpenElement Attachment C SB205_L001.pdf Attachment http://www2.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2024A/commsumm.nsf/0/D159B6023FE3...$File/Attachment D Merged.pdf?OpenElement Attachment D Merged.pdf 04:53:31 PM Senator Rodriguez, prime sponsor, presented Senate Bill 24-205, concerning consumer protections in interactions with artificial intelligence (AI) systems. He distributed an article about AI regulation (Attachment B) and Amendment L.001 (Attachment C). Committee members asked questions about the strike below amendment and definitions in the bill. 05:07:39 PM Mr. Eli Wood, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill. Mr. Kouri Marshall, representing Chamber of Progress, testified in opposition to the bill. Dr. Kelly Kinnebrew, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill. Mr. Logan Cerkovnik, representing Thumper AI Corporation, testified in opposition to the bill. Committee members asked questions about AI protections and regulations. Discussion ensued about discriminatory impacts of AI and how to address them. Further questions were asked about the benefits of AI specific legislation, as opposed to existing frameworks. Discussion continued about over-regulation of AI. 05:45:00 PM Dan Murray, representing Rocky Mountain AI Interest Group , testified in opposition to the bill. Kjersten Forseth, representing CO AFL-CIO, testified in opposition to the bill. Ms. Drea Modugno, representing Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce, testified in opposition to the bill. Mr. Mike Boucher, representing Santa Technologies LLC, testified in opposition to the bill. Committee discussion ensued about the concerns raised by the opponents. 05:59:46 PM Mr. Kyle Shannon, representing AI Salon, testified in opposition to the bill. Doug Johnson, representing Consumer Technology Association, testified in opposition to the bill. Mr. Kenneth Fricklas, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill. Committee members asked questions about other AI regulations in other countries. 06:14:23 PM Mr. Casey Bleeker, representing CEO of SurePath AI, testified to amend the bill. Jon Nordmark, representing themself, testified to amend the bill. Ms. Ruthie Barko, representing TechNet, testified to amend the bill. Committee members asked questions about the bill's impact on innovation and investment. Further discussion ensued about algorithmic models. 06:32:50 PM Mr. Michael McReynolds, representing Governor's Office of Information Technology, testified to amend the bill. Jefferey Riester, representing Department of Law, testified to amend the bill. Ms. Michelle Hadwiger, representing OEDIT, testified to amend the bill. Committee members asked questions about AI in state government. Discussion followed about disclosure policies and the procurement process. 07:01:34 PM Further discussion was had about how AI might factor into health benefit denials. Questions were raised about deceptive trade practices and exemptions, as outlined in the bill. 07:06:01 PM Mr. Robert Monaco, representing Turaco Strategy LLC, testified to amend the bill. Rachel Beck, representing Colorado Competitive Council, testified to amend the bill. Ms. Loren Furman, representing Colorado Chamber of Commerce, testified to amend the bill. Brian Tanner, representing Colorado Association of REALTORS, testified to amend the bill. Committee members asked questions about AI regulation and business retention. 07:21:08 PM Benjapon Frankel, representing Cybernetics Discovery, testified in support of the bill. Saksham Hassanandani, representing Cherry Creek Cybernetics Club, testified in support of the bill. Mr. Shourya Hooda, representing themself, testified in support of the bill. Beth Rudden, representing Bast AI, testified in support of the bill. Anaya Robinson, representing ACLU of Colorado, testified to amend the bill. 07:37:19 PM Bridget Frazier, representing Colorado Hospital Association, testified to amend the bill. Mr. Brandon Arnold, representing Colorado Association of Health Plans, testified to amend the bill. Mr. Jake Parker, representing Security Industry Association, testified to amend the bill. Committee members asked a clarifying question about AI and First Amendment protections. 07:46:38 PM Mr. Andrew Kingman, representing State Privacy & Security Coalition, testified to amend the bill. Mr. Matthew Scherer, representing Center for Democracy & Technology, testified to amend the bill. Mr. David Sauther, representing Pinnacol Assurance, testified to amend the bill. Alison Morgan representing Colorado Bankers Association, testified to amend the bill. Mr. James Karbach, representing Colorado Public Defender’s Office, testified to amend the bill. Written comments about the bill are in Attachment C. 08:04:51 PM Senator Rodriguez recapped Amendment L.001 (Attachment C). 08:08:39 PM Motion Adopt amendment L.001 (Attachment C) Moved Roberts Seconded Gardner Michaelson Jenet Van Winkle Roberts Gonzales YES: 0 NO: 0 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: Pass Without Objection 08:08:40 PM The bill sponsor made closing remarks. Committee members made closing remarks. 08:17:14 PM Motion Refer Senate Bill 24-205, as amended, to the Committee of the Whole. Moved Roberts Seconded Gardner No Michaelson Jenet Yes Van Winkle No Roberts Yes Gonzales Yes Final YES: 3 NO: 2 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS 08:17:22 PM The committee adjourned.