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H_SA_2018A 02/21/2018 01:37:03 PM Committee Summary

PUBLIC
STAFF SUMMARY OF MEETING
HOUSE COMMITTEE ON STATE, VETERANS, & MILITARY AFFAIRS
Date 02/21/2018
Attendance
Benavidez X
Hooton X
Humphrey X
Leonard X
Melton X
Weissman X
Williams D. X
Lontine X
Foote X
Time 01:37:03 PM to 10:39:07 PM
Place RM 271
This Meeting was called to order by Foote
This Report was prepared by Amanda King
Hearing Items Action Taken
HB18-1037 Postponed Indefinitely
HB18-1074 Postponed Indefinitely
HB18-1015 Postponed Indefinitely

HB18-1037 - Postponed Indefinitely


01:37:17 PM  

Representative Neville, bill sponsor, presented House Bill 18-1037. The bill allows an individual with a concealed carry permit to carry a concealed handgun onto the real property of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school.

01:50:51 PM  

Representative Neville answered questions from the committee.

02:04:16 PM  

Jennifer Thompson, representing herself, testified in support of the bill. Ms. Thompson answered questions from the committee.

02:11:57 PM  

Jane Dougherty, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill. She provided a handout to the committee [Attachment A].

02:15:02 PM  

William Saggau, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.

02:18:38 PM  

Tom Mauser, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

02:23:39 PM  

Evan Todd, representing himself, testified in support of the bill. Mr. Todd answered questions from the committee.

02:31:50 PM  

Madeline Dean, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

02:33:28 PM  

Amed Eltageb, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

02:35:20 PM  

Noorjahan Moloo, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

02:37:34 PM  

Jonah Landeau, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

02:40:36 PM  

Robert Edmiston, Firearms Coalition of Colorado, testified in support of the bill.  He provided a handout to the committee [Attachment B].

02:45:08 PM  
Cameron Berry, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
02:48:50 PM  
Kaylee Tyner, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
02:51:49 PM  

Cameron Casados, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.  He provided a letter to the committee [Attachment C].

02:52:52 PM  

Ryan Sack, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.  He provided a letter to the committee [Attachment D].

02:54:34 PM  

Elina Asensio, representing herself, and Karin Asensio, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

02:57:22 PM  

David Kopel, representing himself, testified in support of the bill. Mr. Kopel answered questions from the committee.

03:04:56 PM  
Ken Toltz, Safe Campus Colorado, testified in opposition to the bill.
03:09:01 PM  

Phil Ross, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.  He provided a written statement to the committee [Attachment E].

03:12:21 PM  
Susan Montgomery, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
03:16:35 PM  
Greg Lopez, representing himself, testified in support of the bill. Mr. Lopez answered questions from the committee.
03:22:27 PM  

Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estes, La Sociedad de Guadalupe Para Derechos Humanos, testified in opposition to the bill.  She provided a written statement to the committee [Attachment F].

03:28:21 PM  
Melisa Siegel, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
03:32:36 PM  

Mary Parker, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.  She answered questions from the committee.

03:37:37 PM  
Ronald Dietz, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.
03:41:04 PM  

Anne Cohan, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.  Ms. Cohan answered questions from the committee.

03:45:37 PM  

Grady Nouis, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.

03:48:45 PM  

Amie Baca-Oehlert, Colorado Education Association, testified in opposition to the bill.  Ms. Baca-Oehlert answered questions from the committee.

03:54:58 PM  

Matt Allner, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.  Mr. Allner answered questions from the committee.

04:06:31 PM  

Michelle Pierson, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

04:10:34 PM  

Dave White, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.

04:14:44 PM  

James Todd, American Academy of Pediatrics - Colorado Chapter, testified in opposition to the bill.  He answered questions from the committee and distributed a handout to the committee members [Attachment G].

04:26:06 PM  

Evan Davis, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

04:29:04 PM  
Julie Grossman, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
04:32:50 PM  

Sue Keston, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

04:36:58 PM  

Rachel Barnes, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, testified in opposition to the bill.

04:40:08 PM  

Grace Reichardt, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.  She provided a written statement to the committee [Attachment H].

04:42:02 PM  

Charlie Meserve, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.  He provided a written statement to the committee [Attachment I].  He answered questions from the committee.

04:44:12 PM  

Krista Holtzmann, Douglas County School District Board of Education, testified in opposition to the bill.  She answered questions from the committee.

04:49:35 PM  
Tim Howard, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.
04:53:01 PM  

Charlie Rawlins, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.  He provided a written statement to the committee [Attachment J].

04:55:00 PM  

Bronwynn Andrews, representing herself, testified in oppostion to the bill.  She provided a written statement to the committee [Attachment K].

04:55:45 PM  

Jill Dreves, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.  She provided a written statement to the committee [Attachment L].

04:58:31 PM  

Sam Boswell, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.  Representative Benavidez made comments to the witnesses.  An unidentified witness made a statement to the committee. 

05:00:10 PM  

Linda Gertenbach, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

05:05:19 PM  
Christine Jensen, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
05:08:39 PM  

Selena Wright, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

05:11:03 PM  

Eleanor Cabell, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

05:13:56 PM  

Ellen Lewis, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.  She answered questions from the committee and provided two handouts [Attachments M and N].

05:21:16 PM  

Grace Marx, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, testified in opposition to the bill.

05:23:59 PM  

Sally Augden, League of Women Voters of Colorado, testified in opposition to the bill.

05:27:43 PM  

Carly Dougherty, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

05:31:39 PM  

Julie Meyers, American Academy of Pediatrics - Colorado Chapter, testified in opposition to the bill.

05:34:34 PM  

Maura Benedick, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

05:37:20 PM  

Randy Chase, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

05:41:06 PM  

Lillian Kraemer, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.  She also expressed her opposition to House Bill 18-1074, concerning the use of deadly physical force against a person who has made an illegal entry into a place of business, and House Bill 18-1015, concerning the repeal of certain provisions concerning ammunition magazines.

05:46:37 PM  
Garrett Potter, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.
05:51:29 PM  

Angela Walker, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

05:55:48 PM  

Holly Muertaugh, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

05:59:37 PM  

Allison Pasternak, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

06:04:47 PM  

Marnie Kamensky, Colorado Ceasefire, testified in opposition to the bill.

06:09:26 PM  

Zachary Kamensky, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

06:10:35 PM  

Jennifer Bauer Steuck, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

06:14:33 PM  

Dr. Phyllis Updike, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

06:20:43 PM  

Mohamed Siid, Bridge Project, testified in opposition to the bill.  He provided a written statement to the committee [Attachment O].

06:23:14 PM  

Jessica Osman, Bridge Project, testified in opposition to the bill.  She provided a written statement to the committee [Attachment P].

06:24:58 PM  

Abdul Juma, Bridge Project, testified in opposition to the bill.  He provided a written statement to the committee [Attachment Q].

06:26:54 PM  

Corey Engle, Bridge Project, testified in opposition to the bill.

06:30:41 PM  
Committee members made comments regarding the Bridge Project.
06:32:16 PM  

Cheryl Wilson, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.  She also expressed her opposition to House Bill 18-1074 and House Bill 18-1015.  Ms. Wilson provided a written statement to the committee concerning House Bill 18-1074 [Attachment R].

06:37:22 PM  

Lori Mayfield, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.  Ms. Mayfield expressed her opposition to House Bill 18-1074 and House Bill 18-1015.

06:40:39 PM  

Dr. JoAnn Ota Fujioka, Colorado PTA, testified in opposition to the bill.

06:44:22 PM  
Amy Ross, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
06:48:59 PM  
Marie O'Connell, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
06:52:41 PM  
Vanessa Cervantes, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
06:56:24 PM  

Diana Blair, representing herself, testified in opposition to bill. She read a statement from Mona Karpouzos.

06:59:10 PM  

Renee Pickett, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

07:01:25 PM  
Representative Neville made concluding remarks about the bill.
07:05:25 PM  

Committee members made comments regarding the bill.  A number of letters regarding House Bill 18-1037, House Bill 18-1074, and House Bill 18-1015 were distributed to the committee [Attachment S].



07:37:57 PM
Motion Refer House Bill 18-1037 to the Committee on Appropriations.
Moved Williams D.
Seconded Humphrey
Benavidez No
Hooton No
Humphrey Yes
Leonard Yes
Melton No
Weissman No
Williams D. Yes
Lontine No
Foote No
YES: 3   NO: 6   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  FAIL


07:38:26 PM
Motion Postpone House Bill 18-1037 indefinitely.
Moved Melton
Seconded Weissman
Benavidez Yes
Hooton Yes
Humphrey No
Leonard No
Melton Yes
Weissman Yes
Williams D. No
Lontine Yes
Foote Yes
Final YES: 6   NO: 3   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS



HB18-1074 - Postponed Indefinitely


07:38:37 PM  

The committee recessed.

07:49:01 PM  
The committee came back to order.
07:49:41 PM  

Representative Everett, bill sponsor, presented House Bill 18-1074. The bill adds a place of business to the locations that may be defended using deadly physical force if an owner, manager, or employee reasonably believes that the intruder is committing, has committed, or intends to commit a crime other than the unlawful entry and that the intruder might use physical force against the occupant. The bill specifies that an owner, manager, or employee of a business is immune from criminal prosecution and civil liability for defending a place of business using deadly physical force.

07:53:05 PM  

Robert Edmiston, Firearms Coalition of Colorado, testified in support of the bill. He referenced the handout he distributed during his testimony on House Bill 18-1037 [Attachment B].

07:57:35 PM  

Ellen Lewis, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill. She provided a handout to the committee [Attachment T] and answered questions from the committee.

08:03:13 PM  
Phil Ross, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.
08:07:22 PM  
Mary Parker, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
08:11:32 PM  

Grady Nouis, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.

08:13:30 PM  

Eleanor Cabell, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

08:16:00 PM  
Ronald Dietz, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.
08:18:52 PM  

Eileen McCarron, Colorado Ceasefire, testified in opposition to the bill.

08:22:24 PM  
Amy Ross, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
08:25:21 PM  

Jean Grattet, League of Women Voters of Colorado, testified in opposition to the bill.

08:28:39 PM  

Lillian Kraemer, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

08:32:39 PM  

Marcy Freeburg, representing herself, testified in support of the bill.  She provided a handout to the committee [Attachment U].

08:37:51 PM  
Representative Everett made concluding remarks about the bill.
08:40:22 PM  
Committee members made comments about the bill.


08:52:10 PM
Motion Refer House Bill 18-1074 to the Committee of the Whole.
Moved Leonard
Seconded Humphrey
Benavidez No
Hooton No
Humphrey Yes
Leonard Yes
Melton No
Weissman No
Williams D. Yes
Lontine No
Foote No
YES: 3   NO: 6   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  FAIL


08:52:39 PM
Motion Postpone House Bill 18-1074 indefinitely.
Moved Melton
Seconded Weissman
Benavidez Yes
Hooton Yes
Humphrey No
Leonard No
Melton Yes
Weissman Yes
Williams D. No
Lontine Yes
Foote Yes
Final YES: 6   NO: 3   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS



HB18-1015 - Postponed Indefinitely

08:53:20 PM  

Representative Saine and Representative Humphrey, bill sponsors, presented House Bill 18-1015. The bill repeals the prohibition of the sale, transfer, and possession of large-capacity ammunition magazines. It also repeals the requirement that manufacturers put a stamp or mark on large-capacity ammunition magazines made in Colorado after July 1, 2013. Representative Humphrey answered questions from the committee.

09:00:21 PM  

Grady Nouis, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.

09:02:17 PM  

Erin Bertoli, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, testified in opposition to the bill.

09:04:17 PM  

Robert Edmiston, Firearms Coalition of Colorado, testified in support of the bill. He referenced the handout he distributed during his testimony on House Bill 18-1037 [Attachment B].

09:07:58 PM  

Julie Meyers, Colorado Faith Communities United to End Gun Violence, testified in opposition to the bill.

09:10:44 PM  
Ronald Dietz, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.
09:12:32 PM  
Tom Mauser, Colorado Ceasefire, testified in opposition to the bill.
09:17:58 PM  
Phil Ross, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.
09:22:19 PM  
Tom Sullivan, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.
09:26:25 PM  
Terry Sullivan, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
09:27:26 PM  
Mr. Sullivan responded to comments from the committee.
09:29:43 PM  

Alan Franklin, Progress Now Colorado, testified in opposition to the bill.

09:34:58 PM  
Jane Dougherty, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
09:40:05 PM  

Jean Grattet, League of Women Voters of Colorado, testified in opposition to the bill.

09:44:36 PM  

Ellen Lewis, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.  She provided two handouts to the committee [Attachments V and W].

09:48:58 PM  
Mary Parker, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
09:52:43 PM  

Eleanor Cabell, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

09:54:45 PM  
Carol McCahill, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
10:00:43 PM  

Dr. JoAnn Ota Fujioka, Colorado PTA, testified in opposition to the bill.

10:03:21 PM  
Amy Ross, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.
10:08:37 PM  

Ron Pierre, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

10:11:18 PM  

Tiaja Pierre, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

10:14:09 PM  

Lillian Kraemer, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.  She provided a packet of handouts to the committee [Attachment X].

10:18:03 PM  

Don Macalady, Hunters Against Gun Violence, testified in opposition to the bill.  He provided a written statement to the committee [Attachment Y].

10:23:20 PM  
Representative Humphrey and Representative Saine made concluding remarks about the bill.
10:30:25 PM  
Committee members made comments regarding the bill.


10:38:39 PM
Motion Refer House Bill 18-1015 to the Committee of the Whole.
Moved Humphrey
Seconded Leonard
Benavidez No
Hooton No
Humphrey Yes
Leonard Yes
Melton No
Weissman No
Williams D. Yes
Lontine No
Foote No
YES: 3   NO: 6   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  FAIL


10:39:01 PM
Motion Postpone House Bill 18-1015 indefinitely using a reversal of the previous roll call. There was no objection to the use of the reverse roll call, therefore, the bill was postponed indefinitely.
Moved Melton
Seconded Lontine
Benavidez Yes
Hooton Yes
Humphrey No
Leonard No
Melton Yes
Weissman Yes
Williams D. No
Lontine Yes
Foote Yes
Final YES: 6   NO: 3   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS


10:39:07 PM   Committee Adjourned






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