48A6EF4CA0B5DE0B87258AE500573A24 Hearing Summary

The committee was called to order. A quorum was present. Representative Weissman provided some introductory remarks. Representatives Hernandez and Epps, prime sponsors, presented House Bill 24-1292, concerning prohibitions on certain firearms used in public mass shootings. Representatives Epps explained the effect of the bill and discussed its need. Representative Hernandez provided additional input on the merits of the legislation and its need. Discussion ensued regarding why handguns are not within the scope of the bill, and the rate at which certain types of firearms are used in mass shootings. Discussion followed regarding the types of firearms impacted by the bill.

Ms. Rhiannon Danborn, representing Team Enough with the Brady Campaign, testified in support of the bill.

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Ms. Meneka Hecox, representing Students Demand Action , testified in support of the bill.

Iris Crick, representing herself, testified in support of the bill.

Juniper Davis, representing herself, testified in support of the bill.

Discussion ensued regarding statistics cited during testimony, and reasons why the gun laws are what they are today. Discussion returned to statistics concerning firearms deaths.

Mr. Nephi Cole, representing National Shooting Sports Foundation, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Ava Flanell, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Mark Geist, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Cole responded to questions regarding differentiation of types of firearms, and the prevalence of assault weapons in the United States. Discussion ensued regarding violence in the United States as compared to other countries. Ms. Flanell responded to questions regarding the impact of HB 24-1292 on hunting.

Kevin Vick, representing Colorado Education Association, testified in support of the bill.

Mary Parker, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Kallie Leyba, representing American Federation of Teachers Colorado, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Christie Burton, representing Colorado Faith Communities United to End Gun Violence (CFCU), testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Burton responded to questions regarding the faith community's position on self defense with respect to HB 24-1292. Ms. Parker responded to questions regarding the types of firearms impacted by the bill. Ms. Leyba and Ms. Parker responded to questions regarding mass shootings in schools.

Ms. Beth Ertz, representing Moms Demand Action, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Kathy Hagen, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Mary-Liz Callaway, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Beka Venturella, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Melissa Flanell, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Craig Williams, representing KTM ARMS LLC, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Aaron Cayce, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Taylor Rhodes, representing Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Williams responded to questions regarding the use of AR-15s by militaries. Mr. Cayce responded to questions regarding use of certain types of firearms for hunting. Ms. Flanell clarified her testimony. Mr. Williams and Mr. Rhodes responded to questions regarding the use of handguns for self defense. Discussion ensued regarding capabilities of certain firearms. Discussion followed regarding the cost to buy certain firearms.

Mr. Ian Escalante, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Hannah Hill, representing National Foundation for Gun Rights, testified in opposition to the bill.

Amanda Hardin, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Brandon Herrera, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Escalante responded to questions regarding the types of firearms impacted by HB 24-1292. Discussion ensued regarding abridgement of rights by the bill.

Mr. JD Murphree, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Discussion ensued regarding firearms violence in the United States as compared to other countries.

Mr. Harrison Tarter, representing The Vet Voice Foundation, testified in support of the bill.

Mr. Marc Gonzalez, representing Vote Vets, testified in support of the bill.

Mr. Carl Hamm, representing Colorado Ceasefire, testified in support of the bill.

Marta Loachamin, representing Boulder County, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Julie Ort, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Discussion ensued regarding the ability to conduct a mass shooting without the firearms outlined in HB 24-1292, and the firearm features described in the bill. Discussion followed regarding the delineation between an assault weapon and hunting rifle, and the capabilities of certain firearms. Ms. Ort responded to questions regarding mass shootings in the United States as compared to other countries.

Darren Weekly, representing Douglas County, testified in opposition to HB 24-1292.

David Martin, representing Morgan County, testified in opposition to the bill.

Nat King, representing Mesa County, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Bryan Williams, representing Kiowa County Sheriff's Office, testified in opposition to the bill.

Discussion ensued regarding stolen firearms, and the types of firearms most used in mass shootings. Discussion followed regarding mass shootings committed by people with no prior arrest records, and comparative damage among various weapons.

Paige Leonard, representing themself, testified in support of the bill. Committee members received a fact sheet supporting the bill (Attachment _).

Ms. Jeanne Bucci, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Claire Lucas, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Kathryn Ruud, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Kimberli Kegu, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Ramon Armendariz, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Brian Brickey, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Wolfbrand Leverett, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Kyeol Kim, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Pat Rottschaefer, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Dr. Carol Callicotte-Belmon, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Lisa Johnston, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Peggy Darrah, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Evie Hudak, representing Colorado PTA, testified in support of the bill.

Mr. David Williams, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Barbara Miller, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Kelly Miller, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Sandie Mielenz, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Committee members asked questions to the panel.

Mr. Chase Moore, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Cliff Hummel, representing themself, was available to answer committee questions.

Committee members asked the questions about the correlation between crime and gun control. Further questions were raised about self defense and soft targets.

Jane Dougherty, representing themself, testified in support of the bill. Committee members received a handout supporting the bill (Attachment _).

Kelly Murphy, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Beth McCann, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Lydia Ferrante-Roseberry, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

D.A. McCann responded to questions regarding the inclusion of certain handguns within the scope of HB 24-1292, and a fact pattern she referenced. D.A. McCann responded to further questions regarding the impact of firearms covered by the bill

Mr. Shaun Seidman, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Max Mielenz, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Cody Harm, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ashlee Springer, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Ryan Beck, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Seidman responded to questions regarding the potential impact of the bill on minority firearms owners. Ms. Springer responded to questions regarding the impact of HB 24-1292 on her ability to protect herself, Discussion ensued regarding self protection among minority communities.

Alexander Cisneros, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Erica Crosby, representing herself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Zana Prospero, representing Students Demand Action, testified in support of the bill.

Scott Shamblin, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Richard Orf, representing Associated Governments of Northwest Colorado, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Benjamin Agnini, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Zachary Howard, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Mike Dovel, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Loren Burns, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Jessica Fenske, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Jacob Sanchez, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Agnini responded to questions regarding a prohibition in the bill against passing firearms restricted by HB 24-1292 on to future generations.

Ms. Erica Chapman, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Megan Dinnebeil, representing herself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Nina Brewer Esq, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Ms. Brewer responded to questions regarding her comments on public safety

Mr. Maxwell Vess, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

An unidentified witness testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Lee Bruchez, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Aaron Gonzales, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Ian Bennett, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Andrea Nagy, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Jason Mietchen, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

The unidentified witness responded to questions regarding the damage caused by various firearms.

Mr. Mario Acevedo, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Justen Olson, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Anthony Howard-Crow, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Darian Schumacher, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Clinton Stokovich, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Dominic Bobian, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Bradley Abell, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Schumacher responded to questions regarding historic restrictions on firearms, and the potential disparage impact of HB 24-1292.

Mr. Jack Stewart, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

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Gage DeYoung, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Teddy Collins, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Dalton Weisshaar, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Mike Gonzalez, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Gonzalez responded to questions regarding the firearms restricted by HB 24-1292. Mr. DeYoung responded to questions regarding claims made during his testimony.

Mr. David Allums, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Missy Espinoza, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

The committee recessed.

The committee returned to order.

Mr. Jonathan Wilson, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Michael Mitoff, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Rod Brandenburg, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Mitoff responded to questions regarding the effectiveness of a handgun in certain self-defense situations. Mr. Brandenburg responded to questions regarding a break-in at his store.

Mr. John Botterbusch, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Adam Scarborough, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Christian Pratte, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Morrigen Donaldson, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Jennifer Moore, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Stephen Feder, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Botterbusch responded to questions regarding the statistics he cited during his testimony. Ms. Moore responded questions regarding decommissioned firearms.

Grant Cramer, representing Students demand action, testified in support of the bill. Discussion ensued regarding the motivations of students to testify before the General Assembly.

Mr. Mark Olson, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Garfield Martinez, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Kelyn Lanier, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Alessandra Almeyda, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Lanier responded to questions regarding social cohesion.

Mr. Tyler Peters, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Christopher Shy, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

,Mr. Lee Roten, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Brent Gardner, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. William prough, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Alyssa prough, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Alicia Garcia, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. George Hamilton, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Matthew Paiz, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. JAFAR PARTOWMAH, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

The committee asked questions about the correlation between gun control laws and mass shootings. Committee members asked if the panelists had any ideas to stop mass shootings.

Mr. Brian Armstrong, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Brian Catalucci, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Wayne Price, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Tim Barton, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Landon Harms, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Sean Nation, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Dan Luche, representing himself, testified in opposition ot HB 24-1292.

Mr. Charles Sturdavant, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Luke Redford, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Sturdavant responded to questions regarding changes in the culture

Mr. Ash Williams, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Dylan Betts, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Jordan Edmondson, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Hunter Platt, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Xzavier Rivas, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Justin Gardner, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Wade Bassett, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Charles Cooper, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. DAVID SALEH, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Timothy Holland, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Art Zislis, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Toby Leary, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

An unidentified witness testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Mitchell Miller, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. David McCleskey, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Timothy O'Kelly, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. McCleskey responded to questions regarding the ability to transfer certain firearms under HB 24-1292.

Mr. Kyle Howard, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Eric Lubbers, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Taylor Paschal, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Lukas Goza, representing Militia State Armory LLC, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Paschal responded to questions regarding situations where he's been the victim of crime, and possible policy solutions.

Mr. Tyler Smith, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

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Mr. Benjamin Short, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Drake Hammond, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. James Thiering, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Triston Young, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. John Dorcey, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Charlie Steele III, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Steele responded to questions regarding legislation aimed at reducing violence in communities.

John Sterle, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Aaron Kroll, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Allison Spink, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Rob Friedl, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Spink responded to questions regarding her changes in political ideology. Mr. Sterle responded to questions regarding gun sales in recent years, and overall gun ownership in the United States. Discussion ensued on these points.

Mr. Ross Klopf, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Maria Bergman, representing El Paso County Young Republicans, testified in opposition to the bill.

Allan Koenig, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Jonathan Rabolli, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Discussion ensued regarding how to improve HB 24-1292.

Mr. Dan Doner, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Steven Davis, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Brett Kahn, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Aidan Duncan, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Doner responded to questions regardin

Mr. Joshua Gillespie, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mark Brand, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Discussion ensued regarding the number of firearms in circulation

James Wiley, representing Libertarian Party of Colorado, testified in opposition to the bill.Mr. Jared Pirrie, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Dr. Carrie Farberow, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Mr. Jared Pirrie, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

An unidentified witness testified in opposition to HB 24-1292.

Ms. Farberow responded to questions regarding armed personnel in schools

Jason Silverberg, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Adam DeCamp, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Steven Goldberg, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Karlos Aleman, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Laura Hall, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Troy Teepen, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Richard Schuster, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Larry Olsen, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

David Brocht, representing himself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Bennett Rutledge, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Harlan Archer, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Rodger Ruge, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Kyle Wasser, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Graham Barker, representing himself, testified in opposition to HB 24-1292.

Mr. Simon Walton, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Randy Boss, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Wasser responded to questions regarding penalties for selling or acquiring subject firearms under the bill.

Eliseo Gonzalez, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Kat Frye, representing herself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Cory Huddleston, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Aaron Boyd, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Alan Jenkins, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Andrew Hitt, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Alexander Lynch, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Aaron Lewis, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Allen Gentry, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Boyd responded to questions.

Mr. Chris Nicholson, representing themself, testified in support of the bill.

Mr. Andrew Lucas, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Benjamin O'Loughlin, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Bob Kroon, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Brandon Christen, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Brent Hickmon, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Britny Hanson, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Caleb Podgornoff, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Cam Formby, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Carol Riggenbach, representing Colorado Citizens of House District 62, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Carynn Rudolph, representing Goliath Tactical Firearms Training , testified in opposition to the bill.

Cassandra Kahrimanovic, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Chris Crider, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Chris McGowne, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Chris Scena, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. McGowne responded to questions regarding the penalties in HB 24-1292

Mr. Christian Sausser, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Crista Mann, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Cyrus Gatrell, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Dale Ruggles, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Christian Kelly, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Damir Kahrimanovic, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Daniel Cairo, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Ms. Donna Gulec, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. David Mekelburg, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Mr. Dean Freidline, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

Donna LaBelle, representing themself, testified in opposition to the bill.

The committee recessed.

The committee returned to order. Representative Hernandez explained the effect of amendment L.001 (Attachment _). Discussion ensued regarding the definition of "heir" for the purposes of the amendment, and the potential destruction of valuable property under the amendment.

Representative Hernandez explained the effect of amendment L.002 (Attachment _). Discussion ensued regarding the ability to sell a firearm under the amendment.

Representative Hernandez explained the effect of amendment L.003 (Attachment _). Discussion ensued regarding the impact of the amendment on off-duty police officers.

Representative Mabrey explained the effect of amendment L.008 (Attachment _). Discussion ensued regarding potential ramifications of passing the amendment.

Representatives Epps and Hernandez provided closing remarks in support of HB 24-1292. Various committee members provided their positions on the bill.