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H_JUD_2023A 03/21/2023 01:38:21 PM Committee Summary

PUBLIC
STAFF SUMMARY OF MEETING
HOUSE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
Date 03/21/2023
Attendance
Armagost X
Daugherty *
Epps X
Evans X
Garcia X
Luck X
Marshall X
Sharbini *
Snyder X
Soper X
Woodrow *
Bacon *
Weissman X
Time 01:38:21 PM to 06:52:16 PM
Place HCR 0112
This Meeting was called to order by Weissman
This Report was prepared by Bo Pogue
Hearing Items Action Taken
HB23-1135 Amended, referred to House Appropriations
HB23-1026 Amended, referred to the Committee of the Whole
HB23-1159 Amended, referred to House Appropriations

HB23-1135 - Amended, referred to House Appropriations

01:42:57 PM  

Representatives Michaelson Jenet and Bird, prime sponsors, presented House Bill 23-1135, concerning the offense classification for indecent exposure in view of a minor. Representative Bird explained the effect of the bill and discussed its need.

01:45:18 PM  
Tiffany Moon-Comandari, representing herself, testified in support of the bill.
01:49:09 PM  
Mr. Tyler Bandemer, representing himself, testified in support of the bill.
01:51:58 PM  

Ms. Alexis King, representing 1st Jd, testified in support of the bill. District Attorney Gordon McLaughlin, representing Colorado District Attorneys Council, testified in support of the bill. Mr. Christopher Curtis, representing Denver District Attorney's Office, testified in support of the bill. Committee members received a packet of slides with statistics on indecent exposure (Attachment A) and a fact sheet about HB 23-1135 (Attachment B). Discussion ensued regarding the rate at which indecent exposure targeting minors takes place, and the rate of reoffense. Discussion followed regarding how making this crime a felony would impact public safety, as well as the impact on the offender. Discussion turned to the challenges of prosecuting indecent exposure cases involving minors under current law. Mr. McLaughlin responded to questions regarding a fact pattern he discussed during earlier testimony. Discussion ensued regarding alternatives and treatments for offenders convicted of indecent exposure involving a minor. Discussion followed regarding data associated with those charged with this crime. Discussion turned to how the setting of the crime of indecent exposure involving a minor impacts the ability to bring felony charges under the bill, and setting bond for such charges. Mr. Curtis responded to questions regarding the potential for charges of indecent exposure involving a minor to be pled down if the bill were to pass.

02:44:39 PM  

Ms. Laurie Kepros, representing Office of the State Public Defender, testified on HB 23-1135 from an "amend" position. Ms. Casey Duncan, representing Colorado State Public Defender, testified on the bill from an "amend" position. Lauren Snyder, representing Mental Health Colorado, testified in opposition to the bill. Mr. James Karbach, representing Colorado State Public Defender, testified on the bill from an "amend" position. Ms. Kepros responded to questions regarding the population on the sex offender registry. Mr. Karbach responded to questions regarding some forthcoming amendments. Discussion ensued regarding other statutes that includes language concerning the isolation of a victim by a perpetrator, and what constitutes "isolation" for the purposes of HB 23-1135. Mr. Karbach responded to questions regarding how changing the indecent exposure crime by the bill impacts the statute of limitations on the crime, and pleading the crime down to a misdemeanor should the bill pass. Mr. Karbach responded to further questions regarding applying different penalties for the crime based on the age of the victim. Ms. Kepros responded to questions regarding differences between misdemeanor and felony convictions for indecent exposure as it pertains to the sex offender registry. Discussion followed regarding diversion programs and specialty courts, and the data in Attachment A.

03:36:14 PM  
Ms. Jessica Dotter, representing Colorado District Attorneys' Council, testified in support of the bill.

Allyson Baber, representing 17th Judicial District Attorney's Office, testified in support of the bill.

Mrs. Breck Roesch, representing Boulder District Attorney's Office, testified in support of the bill. Ms. Dotter responded to questions regarding how prosecutors approach indecent exposure cases when the offender exhibits mental illness, and the potential impact of HB 23-1135 on public safety, as highlighted by an indecent exposure case Ms. Dotter noted earlier. Ms. Dotter responded to further questions regarding data associated with indecent exposure involving a minor, and the need to increase the penalty for the previously noted indecent exposure case. Ms. Baber responded to questions regarding an indecent exposure case she referenced, and factors taken into consideration when prosecuting such a case. Mrs. Roesch responded to questions regarding attempts by defendants in indecent exposure cases to access treatment. Discussion followed regarding competency issues in indecent exposure cases.

04:09:59 PM  

Denver District Attorney Beth McCann, representing herself, testified in support of the bill. Mr. Mark Fitzgerald, representing Brighter World Child Advocacy Center, and Colorado Children's Alliance, testified in support of the bill. Mrs. Erin Meschke, representing herself, testified in support of the bill. Courtney Sutton, representing Colorado Organization for Victim Assistance, testified in support of the bill. Susan Walker, representing the Coalition for Sexual Offense Restoration, testified in opposition to HB 23-1135. Ms. Margaux Sorenson, representing Rocky Mountain Victim Law Center, testified in support of the bill.

04:28:53 PM  
The committee recessed.
04:41:07 PM  

The committee returned to order. Representative Michaelson Jenet explained the effect of amendment L.003 (Attachment C) and L.004 (Attachment D).



04:43:42 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.004
Moved Soper
Seconded Woodrow
Armagost
Daugherty
Epps
Evans
Garcia
Luck
Marshall
Sharbini
Snyder
Soper
Woodrow
Bacon
Weissman
YES: 0   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  Pass Without Objection
04:43:43 PM  

Representative Epps explained the effect of amendment L.007 (Attachment E). The bill sponsors weighed in on the amendment. Discussion ensued regarding the merits of the amendment.



04:55:19 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.007
Moved Epps
Seconded Woodrow
Armagost No
Daugherty No
Epps Yes
Evans No
Garcia Yes
Luck No
Marshall No
Sharbini Yes
Snyder No
Soper No
Woodrow Yes
Bacon Yes
Weissman No
YES: 5   NO: 8   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  FAIL


04:56:37 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.003, as amended.
Moved Soper
Seconded Woodrow
Armagost Yes
Daugherty Yes
Epps Yes
Evans Yes
Garcia Yes
Luck No
Marshall Yes
Sharbini Yes
Snyder Yes
Soper Yes
Woodrow Yes
Bacon Yes
Weissman Yes
YES: 12   NO: 1   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS
04:56:39 PM  
Representatives Michaelson Jenet and Bird provided closing remarks in support of HB 23-1135. Various committee members provided their positions on the bill.


05:11:22 PM
Motion Refer House Bill 23-1135, as amended, to the Committee on Appropriations.
Moved Snyder
Seconded Soper
Armagost Yes
Daugherty Yes
Epps No
Evans Yes
Garcia No
Luck Yes
Marshall Yes
Sharbini No
Snyder Yes
Soper Yes
Woodrow No
Bacon No
Weissman Yes
Final YES: 8   NO: 5   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS



HB23-1026 - Amended, referred to the Committee of the Whole

05:11:33 PM  
The committee recessed.
05:23:26 PM  

The committee returned to order. Representative English, prime sponsor, presented House Bill 23-1026, concerning family time for grandparents. Representative English explained the effect of the bill and discussed its need. Alana Rosen, Office of Legislative Legal Services, responded to questions regarding the movement of language to a new title under the bill, and what constitutes "by whole or by half." Ashley Chase, representing the Office of the Child's Representative, responded to questions about the changes made by the bill overall, and the impact of the bill on representation for children in family time cases. Ms. Chase testified in support of the bill. Ms. Chase responded to questions regarding a "clear and convincing" standard in the bill.

05:47:09 PM  
Katie Wolf, representing Violence Free Colorado, testified on the bill from an "amend" perspective.

Apryl Barela, representing herself, testified in support of HB 23-1026.

Ms. June Waller, representing herself, testified in support of the bill.

Rene Koonce, representing herself, testified in support of the bill.

Mike Valentine, representing Arapahoe County, testified to amend the bill.

06:08:41 PM  

Mrs. Copernicus Marshall, representing herself, testified in support of the bill.

06:10:58 PM  

The committee considered amendment L.002 (Attachment F). Representative Weissman explained the effect of amendment L.003 (Attachment G).



06:13:13 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.003
Moved Sharbini
Seconded Garcia
Armagost
Daugherty
Epps
Evans
Garcia
Luck
Marshall
Sharbini
Snyder
Soper
Woodrow
Bacon
Weissman
YES: 0   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  Pass Without Objection
06:13:31 PM  

Representative English explained the effect of amendment L.004 (Attachment H).



06:14:11 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.004
Moved Sharbini
Seconded Garcia
Armagost
Daugherty
Epps
Evans
Garcia
Luck
Marshall
Sharbini
Snyder
Soper
Woodrow
Bacon
Weissman
YES: 0   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  Pass Without Objection
06:14:30 PM  

The committee considered amendment L.005 (Attachment I).



06:15:47 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.005
Moved Sharbini
Seconded Garcia
Armagost
Daugherty
Epps
Evans
Garcia
Luck
Marshall
Sharbini
Snyder
Soper
Woodrow
Bacon
Weissman
YES: 0   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  Pass Without Objection
06:15:49 PM  

The committee considered amendment L.006 (Attachment J).



06:16:23 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.006
Moved Sharbini
Seconded Garcia
Armagost
Daugherty
Epps
Evans
Garcia
Luck
Marshall
Sharbini
Snyder
Soper
Woodrow
Bacon
Weissman
YES: 0   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  Pass Without Objection


06:16:46 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.002
Moved Sharbini
Seconded Woodrow
Armagost
Daugherty
Epps
Evans
Garcia
Luck
Marshall
Sharbini
Snyder
Soper
Woodrow
Bacon
Weissman
YES: 0   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  Pass Without Objection
06:16:47 PM  
Representative English provided closing remarks in support of HB 23-1026. Various committee members provided their positions on the bill.


06:21:04 PM
Motion Refer House Bill 23-1026, as amended, to the Committee of the Whole.
Moved Bacon
Seconded Garcia
Armagost Yes
Daugherty Yes
Epps Yes
Evans Yes
Garcia Yes
Luck No
Marshall Yes
Sharbini Yes
Snyder Yes
Soper Yes
Woodrow Yes
Bacon Yes
Weissman Yes
Final YES: 12   NO: 1   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS



HB23-1159 - Amended, referred to House Appropriations

06:27:11 PM  

Representative Luck, prime sponsor, presented House Bill 23-1159, concerning studying family law court proceedings.  The committee heard testimony on the bill at its March 14 meeting.  Representative Luck explained the effect of amendment L.001 (Attachment K). Discussion ensued regarding certain appointments made to the commission by the bill.



06:28:51 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.001
Moved Luck
Seconded Garcia
Armagost
Daugherty
Epps
Evans
Garcia
Luck
Marshall
Sharbini
Snyder
Soper
Woodrow
Bacon
Weissman
YES: 0   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  Pass Without Objection
06:28:53 PM  

Representative Luck explained the effect of amendment L.002 (Attachment L). Discussion ensued regarding the merits of the amendment.



06:29:51 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.002
Moved Luck
Seconded Soper
Armagost
Daugherty
Epps
Evans
Garcia
Luck
Marshall
Sharbini
Snyder
Soper
Woodrow
Bacon
Weissman
YES: 0   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  Pass Without Objection
06:29:52 PM  

Representative Luck explained the effect of amendment L.003 (Attachment M). Discussion ensued regarding how to ensure that the commission studies a true cross-section of family court cases under the amendment, and the fiscal impact of the amendment.



06:38:17 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.003
Moved Luck
Seconded Soper
Armagost
Daugherty
Epps
Evans
Garcia
Luck
Marshall
Sharbini
Snyder
Soper
Woodrow
Bacon
Weissman
YES: 0   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  Pass Without Objection
06:38:18 PM  

Representative Luck explained the effect of amendment L.005 (Attachment N). Discussion ensued regarding the types of entities that might provide input to the commission under the amendment.



06:42:49 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.005
Moved Luck
Seconded Snyder
Armagost
Daugherty
Epps
Evans
Garcia
Luck
Marshall
Sharbini
Snyder
Soper
Woodrow
Bacon
Weissman
YES: 0   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  Pass Without Objection
06:42:51 PM  

Representative Luck explained the effect of amendment L.006 (Attachment O). Representative Luck also provided closing remarks in support of HB 23-1159.



06:47:07 PM
Motion Adopt amendment L.006
Moved Luck
Seconded Garcia
Armagost
Daugherty
Epps
Evans
Garcia
Luck
Marshall
Sharbini
Snyder
Soper
Woodrow
Bacon
Weissman
YES: 0   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  Pass Without Objection
06:47:09 PM  
The committee discussed the merits of HB 23-1159.


06:51:38 PM
Motion Refer House Bill 23-1159, as amended, to the Committee on Appropriations.
Moved Luck
Seconded Marshall
Armagost Yes
Daugherty No
Epps Yes
Evans Yes
Garcia Yes
Luck Yes
Marshall Yes
Sharbini No
Snyder Yes
Soper Yes
Woodrow No
Bacon Yes
Weissman No
Final YES: 9   NO: 4   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS


06:52:16 PM   The committee adjourned.






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