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BILL SUMMARY For CONSIDERATION OF CHANGES TO HEARING PROCEDURES

OTHER COMMITTEE COMMITTEE ON HOUSE COMMITTEE ON ETHICS
Date Aug 5, 2026       Location HCR 0112

Consideration of Changes to Hearing Procedures - Committee Procedures Modified


09:07:22 AM  
Representative McCormick discussed extending the time for opening remarks from 10 to 20 minutes.
09:07:22 AM  
The committee discussed modifying its previously adopted rules of procedure for evidentiary hearings. Representative McCormick discussed extending the time for Representative Lindsay to make opening remarks from 10 to 20 minutes.

09:08:29 AM
Motion Extend time for Representative Lindsay's opening remarks from 10 to 20 minutes
Moved Soper
Seconded Woodrow
Garcia Sander Yes
Mabrey Yes
Woodrow Yes
Soper Yes
McCormick Yes
YES: 5   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS
09:08:30 AM  

Representative McCormick discussed a set of proposed stipulated facts that were provided by Representative Lindsay's attorney, Mr. Jerome DeHererra (Attachment A). The committee reviewed the document, and discussed each fact and possible changes to each fact. Representative Woodrow suggested that the committee amend stipulated fact 1 to be clear that the committee is still able to make judgements and findings about the fact. Mr. DeHerrera commented on the stipulations.

09:19:49 AM  
Representative McCormick continued review of the proposed stipulations. She discussed editing stipulated fact number 5 to include information about informal discussions or training regarding the role of caucus chair. The committee discussed adding language specifying that the facts as expressed do not limit the committee from making determinations of fault or obligation with regard to the fund. The committee discussed language related to staff support for caucus duties.
09:34:00 AM  
The committee continued by discussing stipulated fact number 9, and adding language regarding the committee's ability to make arguments regarding payments to the fund. The committee discussed editing stipulated fact number 11 to include language regarding the ability of the committee to make arguments related to the described payment. Representative Woodrow suggested editing stipulated fact number 12 to include language specifying the Representative Joseph had asked about the transaction.
09:38:46 AM  
The committee discussed adding a new fact related to checks to Representative Lindsay issued from the caucus account. The committee discussed a stipulation of facts related to the payment of caucus dues and the fund balance of the caucus account, and discussed removing the stipulation from the document. Mr. DeHerrera commented.
09:54:12 AM  

The committee discussed stipulated fact number 15, and Representative Lindsay's actions related to the account. The committee discussed deleting language in stipulated fact number 16 related to control of the caucus account and debit cards in April 2025. The committee discussed amending 18 to specify that Will Quinn submitted a spreadsheet to Speaker McCluskie on June 14, 2025. The committee discussed stipulated fact number 19 and whether the language referenced one or two documents. The committee discussed adding language after stipulated numbers 20 and 21 stating that those facts accurately quote Mr. Quinn's report, but do not reflect the committee's conclusions regarding the accuracy or the completeness of the statements, which will be discussed at the hearing.

10:07:29 AM  

The committee discussed adding a fact about the letter that Speaker McCluskie sent to Representative Lindsay regarding her handling of the fund. The committee discussed editing stipulated fact number 24 to correct the date. Representative Woodrow asked about documentation to support the calculation of the total of reimbursable expenses due to Representative Lindsay, and Mr. DeHerrera stated that he would confirm the documentation for that figure.

10:07:29 AM  
The committee discussed adding a fact about the letter that Speaker McCluskie sent to Representative Lindsay regarding her handling of the fund. The committee discussed editing number 24 to correct the date. Representative Woodrow asked about documentation to support the calculation of the total of reimbursable expenses due to Representative Lindsay, and Mr. DeHerrera stated that he would confirm the documentation for that figure.
10:17:40 AM  
Representative McCormick listed the stipulated facts to be amended included: 1, 2 and 3 accept, 4, accept, 5 edit, 6 accept, 7 (edit for 1 will apply to 7 as well), edit 8 and 9, 10 accept, 11 edit, 12 edit, 13 accept, add a fact after 13, 14 delete, 15 delete, 16 edit, 17 accept, 18 accept with Mr. Deherra's redline, 19, accept with redline, 20  and 21 accept, and add that the committee reserves ability to question conclusions, 22 accept, 23 accept, 24 with date change, add a fact about Speaker's letter to Lindsay, 25 accept 26 accept 27 accept.

10:26:25 AM
Motion Direct staff to produce a revised stipulation of facts document reflecting the committee's changes and send it to Mr. DeHerrera and Representative Lindsay, with direction to revise or accept by August 12
Moved Soper
Seconded Garcia Sander
Garcia Sander Yes
Mabrey Yes
Woodrow Yes
Soper Yes
McCormick Yes
YES: 5   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS
10:30:52 AM  
Representative McCormick discussed the changes requested by Representative Lindsay and Mr. DeHerrera to Representative Lindsay's witness list. She explained that the committee could also modify its witness list, and reviewed the list of committee's witnesses.

10:30:54 AM
Motion Accept Representative Lindsay's modified witness list
Moved Soper
Seconded Garcia Sander
Garcia Sander Yes
Mabrey Yes
Woodrow Yes
Soper Yes
McCormick Yes
YES: 5   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS
10:31:05 AM  
Representative Woodrow discussed adding Representative Marshall to the committee's witness, and further discussed the committee's list of witnesses. The committee discussed the ability to re-question witnesses who have already testified. Representative McCormick noted that the committee does not have to conclude next week. The committee discussed removing Majority Leader Duran from the committee's witness list.
10:31:05 AM  
Representative Woodrow discussed adding Representative Marshall to the committee's witness, and further discussed the committee's list of witnesses. The committee discussed the ability to re-question witnesses who have already testified. The committee discussed removing Majority Leader Duran from the committee's witness list.

10:46:35 AM
Motion Modify the committee's witness list to remove Majority Leader Duran and add Representative Marshall
Moved Soper
Seconded Garcia Sander
Garcia Sander Yes
Mabrey Yes
Woodrow Yes
Soper Yes
McCormick Yes
YES: 5   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS
10:46:36 AM  
The committee discussed possibly allowing witnesses to respond in writing, rather than to appear in person. Mr. DeHerrera commented on this point. Mr. DeHerrera commented on the timing of the hearings, and the sequencing of the hearings. Ms. Chase commented on the witness order.
10:46:36 AM  
The committee discussed possibly allowing witnesses to respond in writing, rather than to appear in person. Mr. DeHerrera commented on this point. Mr. DeHerrera commented on the timing of the hearings, and the sequencing of the hearings. Ms. Christy Chase, Office of Legislative Legal Services (OLLS), commented on the witness order.
10:55:39 AM  
Ms. Chase noted that the committee's procedures do not contemplate recalling witnesses. Representative Woodrow discussed clarifying the standard of evidence for the hearings.

10:55:40 AM
Motion Adopt a preponderance of the evidence standard
Moved Woodrow
Seconded Soper
Garcia Sander Yes
Mabrey Yes
Woodrow Yes
Soper Yes
McCormick Yes
YES: 5   NO: 0   EXC: 0   ABS:  0   FINAL ACTION:  PASS
10:55:43 AM  
Mr. DeHerrera commented, noting that committee members may ask questions during his questioning of witnesses.
10:56:57 AM  

Representative Soper asked about the existing subpoena for Representative Joseph. The committee discussed reissuing the subpoena, noting that a vote was not necessary to update the subpoena.

10:56:57 AM  

Representative Soper asked about the existing subpoena for Representative Joseph.  The committee discussed reissuing the subpoena, noting that a vote was not necessary to update the subpoena.

10:59:35 AM  
The committee discussed allowing Mr. Quinn's counsel to appear remotely, and the chair agreed to allow that.
11:00:36 AM  
Ms. Chase discussed the timing and sequencing of the witnesses. She noted that Mr. Quinn, Speaker McCluskie, and Representative Lindsay were allotted 1 hour, and the remaining witnesses were allotted 30 minutes.The committee directed Ms. Chase to schedule Representative Joseph and Representative Marshall for one hour each. Mr. DeHerrera suggested scheduling the Speaker and Mr. Quinn for 1.5 hours. The committee discussed scheduling Representative Lindsay at the conclusion of all other witnesses, and allowing 2 hours for her testimony.
11:00:36 AM  
Ms. Chase discussed the timing and sequencing of the witnesses. She noted that Mr. Quinn, Speaker McCluskie, and Representative Lindsay were allotted 1 hour, and the remaining witnesses were allotted 30 minutes.The committee directed Ms. Chase to schedule Representative Joseph and Representative Marshall for 1 hour each. Mr. DeHerrera suggested scheduling the Speaker and Mr. Quinn for 1.5 hours. The committee discussed scheduling Representative Lindsay at the conclusion of all other witnesses, and allowing 2 hours for her testimony.
11:04:57 AM  
Yelana Love, OLLS, noted that the process allows for Representative Lindsay to make an opening statement.